Edwards, R. & Ors v Gietzelt, Ray & Ors [1983] FCA 412
Federal Court of Australia
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CATCHAORDS
Whether a
resclution passed by the Victorian Branch
Executive of the Federated Miscellanesus Workers' Union
of Australza that the applicants be susxended with pay
frow thei positions was inconsistent with a resolutio
passed by a special Branch meé*ing that they he
reinstated - Suspenzion - weaning of suspension - the
a roan employer to require that an employee not
perform.
Arhiuyration ac
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Smithers J
28 October 1982
TOS
IN THE FEDERAL COURT OF AUSTRALIA
VICTORIA DISTRICT RUGISTRY No. V27 of 1983
INDUSTRIAL, DIVISION
EX TYMPORE JUDGMENT
IN THE MATTCR OF THE CONCTLIATION
AND ARBITRATION ACP 1Ly04
and
IN THE MATTOR OF APPLICATIONS
UNDER SUCTION 140 AND J+ TOF
ACT
Between: R. EDWARDS, R. GRANT, G.
LEW, Re. CHMSHITE, G
SLATER, P. HIND allp i.
BLARDSLEY ~
(Aprlicants }
And: RAY CINTZELT, CHPLSTOULN SY
ALLEN, hk.
HELUUT, 2.
-- A. WAYLOR,
TOY, P. COR
ALLXANDER,
Cc. VETTOS,
KRHYTS, B. :
WEEKS, Fe. Sb3b
DLGIGL!IO, J. Cc
EVDEY, &. ELar
L. BREEN,
RILEY, (i.
. BATT. T. :
PRDOLRATED slScrni. Cas
WORKERS UNION Or
AUSTRALIA.
(Respondents)
Coram: Smithers J.
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me tree
REASONS FOR JUDGMENT
HIS HONOUR: This case concerns an application by the
applicants who are a research officer and six branch
organizers seeking an interim order that the
respondents - Federal and State officers ef the
respondent union, the Federated Miscellaneous Workers
Union of Australia (MWU)-shculd ireat as null and
void a resolution passed on 28 September 1963 hy the
Vieterian Branch executive of the MU that whey be
evepended fron their positions perding a refrerendvin
on their entitlement to hold chose positions.
lt jis of importance that it ke clearly understood
that in these proceedings all the respondents have
acknowledged and asserted that the resolutions are
not to be construed as asserting that the applicants
do not hold the positions in the union which they
held on 16 August 1983. It 1s recognized by them
that the applicants do hold those posiiions and che
issues in this case concern the right or lack of
right of the management of the branch to provide that
pending the outcome of the referendum the applicants
should not actually perform duties they would
otherwise perform.
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Te ee I cee ree
Of course, I have heard a lot of evidence as to the
'
merits of the dispute which occurred between the
applicants in the branch concerning a claim for the
introduction hy the branch of a 19 day month for the
applicants und other members of the office staff.
Also, I have heard much evidence of conduct and
alleged misconduct by persons concerned in that
Gispute and after the pvrported resolution of the
dispute. I have formed some views on ihese matters,
but in the result, my vievs turn out not to be
matters where, in the circumstances, the view of a
judge can be usefully stated. These issues really
eonccrn tho members of che branch who will erpless
their own views on the issues when they vote in the
referendun.
As mentioned the epplicution is one for interim
relief by the applicants six of whom were branch
organizers and one of whom was a research officer
whose employment by the branch was terminated by the
branch on 16 and 17 August 19683.
Thereafter, a special mecting of the branch was
sought by the applicants under r.33(c) of the MWU
rules (the rules} to consider the matter of the
termination of employment by the branch of the
applicants. That weeting was held on ?7 September
1983 and resolved that the applicants be reinstated
in their positions of research officer and branch
organizer as from 16 August 1983. On the next
morning the branch cxecutive resolved :
"hl. In view of the importance and seriousness
of the matters relating to the termination
of RK. Ldwards, G. Lewin, FP. Grant, R.
Cheshire, G. Slater, K. RBeardsley and P.
Hind which has caused deep divisions
within the Branch and to ensure thai the
matter is resolved according to the wishes
of the whole of the Branch financial
membership and having regard to the
conduct of the special meeting of the
Branch on the 27th Septenber 1983, the
Branch Executive resolves that a
referendum of the whole of the f[Breaench
financial memoership be conducted on the
fcllowing question:-
Thal che decisions of the Branch Stete
Council on August 16, 1983, vo terminule
the appointment of I. Ediuares, R. rant,
and G. Lewin, ang the decisions of the
Branch Txecutive on August 17, 19%3, to
terminate the appoliutment of K. Beardsley,
R. Cheshire, P. Hind and G. Siater be
endorsed. _
2. That the Branch Executive directs the
Branch Secretary to prepare for the next
succeeding Branch Executive Meeting a
report on the procedures for the
conducting of the said referendum.
3. The Branch Executive further resolves
that, at the next succeeding meeting of
the Branch Execcutive, a Returning Officer
be appointea to have the conduct of the
said referendum.
4. In the light of the decision of the Branch
Executive to conduct a referendum of the
whole of the Branch financial member>hip,
the Branch Executive determines that k.
Kdwards, G. Lewin, R. Grant, R. Cheshire,
one ee cee nee
mn
.
G. Slater, K. Beardsley and YP. Ilind be
immediatcly sus,ended from Lheis
respective positions with ful] pay pending
the outcume of the referendum."
Pursuant to that resolution the applicants have been
excluded from the performance of any of the duties
pertaining to their positions which are in question.
It is the case for the applicants that this corduct
is in contravention of the rules, and in particular,
r.59, which states:
"Any decision made by a meeting of the branch
shaJl be binding on the state council and the
state branch executive office until such decision
is reversed by a special neeting of the branch or
by acerslouw of memoere oF the Lreneb out
relerendur held ae neirly as practicshl)e oF by
decisztom of the Federal council] or f£ecera
executive."
Fo)
'he Victorian bBraich Execut+ve resolution is in
Branch
uw
contravention of tke decision of the cpecia
meeting, 2f it is to be emmstruea «Ss a Gee}r. tion
that the branch determined to treat applicants as no
longer the occupiers of the positions they held en 16
August 1983. The proper construction of the
resolution depends on the actual words used and the
circumstances in which they were used. ft is
: . : e
critical to decide in what sense the word "suspend"
is used. It is a word of flexible meaning responsive
to the context and circumstances.
in this case the problem ts whether jt is used jn the
ay
sense of, "We treat the employees as though they do
nok hold the positions in issue." or, "We treat Lhem
'
as the occupiers of those positions but subject to
anstructions from the branch not to perform dutics.".
The distinction is recognized by Mr. Justice
Fitzgerald in Hill v. Higgins (1981) 40 ALR 476 at
491, where he indicated that suspension way
constitute a posilion where a person being suspended
continues to occupy office but is uneble to cxercise
the powers attendant thereon.
There 1s a suggestion that this may be the ordinary
meaning of the word ""suspeue@" and 1 am inclancad to
think that In moéeru conditions jn rotation to inast
emplovment that is sc. In this case the phrase used
in "suspended fron their posations". At LTirst sight
this appears to bre an direct contradiction of the
Gecision of the special branch mesting het on
consideration I think that reading the full text of
the resolution in the circumstances, that this is not
SO»
Tt is made "ain the light of the decision to hold the
referendum' which was io deal with the decision of
the special meeting which ex hypothesi persists until
the refcrendum sets it aside, 1f it does do so. It
provides for a suspension on full pay. Pay for what?
ye
The answer is nol pay by way of gift, but pay agrecd
upon and acising out of the relevant employment. So
construed the resolution vas not in defiance of the
decision of the special inceting. lt was a decision
with reference to a courso of aclion to be taken jin
the light of that decision.
The Special Branch Meeting resoltuion restored the
YXapplicants to their employment. Management was then
faced with a situation that there wis then a problem
arising out of the conditions of stress which they
believed likely to affect the conduct of the branch
office in particular, and the branch ac!
generally, 3f£ che applicants, were to reemae work ap
close proximity to the vlher pursons workang in that
office, including office staf. Thet there was
likely to be a sericus stress situation arising ouac
of past events, personal antipathies, and attitudes
adopted is plain to see by anyone who has heard the
evidence in this case.
The branch executive and secretary are responsible
for the day to day management of the branch and it is
their duty to see that the conduct of the business 15
cacried on efficrently and properly. From their
point of viewit was therefore necessary to make a
decision receognising the conlinuance of the
a eo
employment relationship betveen the applicunls and
the branch with a right to the payment of their
salarics put at the same time the bianch executive
excreised a right which is normaliy that of an
elployer existing, save in special circumstances, to
require thet the employee not perform duties he 1s
employed to perform, By resolving as the Brench
Executive dud on 28 September 1985 the employment
Situation brought about by the special meeting
persists.
In this case I would consider that the normal right
@id exist and that there were no special
circumstances which would tehe at oul oF ire ero. 0
emplayment relationships Lo which the right referred
applies. See Collier v. Sunday
Co. Lid. (1940) 4 Ai EP 734 at 236.
The branch cxecutive exercised a vtaght pertaining to
the terms of that employment; namely, a ridht arising
from a term that the employer may direct the enployee
not to perform duty he would otherwise be required to
perform.
Tf, coutrary to what I have siid, the resoluticn of
28 September 1983 should be considered ar a
non-compliance with the decision of the srectial
obese eee
sepa
9.
meeting and to be an assertion that the empleyirent of
the applicants was noc resumed pursuant thereto, then
'
there would be a breach of the rules of the union
which this court could enjoin. But before taking
interim action in that respect the court would have
to remember that the resuli sought by the branch, and
in my view legitimately and successfully sought, that
iu 'the circumstances at present existing the
applicants should not attend the office for the
purpose of performing duties, and thus be in close
proximity to those with whom they are in a stressful
relationshiny, could be and undouptedly would be
achicved by the passing of a rezatulLton jn express
terns to achieve that which £ hive Lela cle present
resolution actually does upon dis prualy
construction. In the fulléese sense tlicrefore, th>
interim rejicf, if grauted, vould certainly be
futile. :
Miss Hickey, who has made every submission possible
in my view, has urged that I should regard the
resolution as lackiny 1n bona fides; that 1s to say,
that it was not passed for the purpose of carrying on
the business of the branch but to achieve the private
desires of branch officers and management of the
union for revenge or for alleged past conduct or to
achieve personal advantage in the forthcoming
rt
bam)
election.
ft may wel] be, and probably is, that those referred
ro would £ee] gratifred that they are not required to
have the applicants actually at work; and
particularly so an view of the forthcoming
referendum. Bur it is impossible to say that that is
the reason for their action.
°
The nost impartia] person, haviug heard the evidence,
4£ faced with the situation that they were in oa 28
Septemper 1983 would have to recognise that the
prospect of the return to work of the applicants in
the condicions then obtaining, vould piece the peor
conduct of tbe business of the branch wo serreus
EGopucdy. li vould not be to the point ta eaas.ine
the queciion of whese conduct or whar circmastances
basically caused the conditions of stras¢. VnerTe
was, therefore, good reason to attempt, if possible,
to obey the special meeting and ac the same time
avoid difficulties which would have been likely to
attend the resumption of the applicants at the branch
office of their actual course of duties.
The fact that it was a course which the branch mey
have liked to pursue could not take away the
justification for action designed ta avoid the perils
wee
tens
ve
Fo
yo
involved that 1 have referred to, in the resumpiion
of vork at the office by the applicants. f£ have no
:
doubt that the anxiety felt by the branch execulive
in this respect was genuine.
In the view I have taken, there is no guestion of
depriving any person of any right pertaining to their
employment or their membership. The employment and
the membership of the applicants in this case remains
as each of them was on 16 August 1983. Accordingly
the application for interim relief is rejected. a
thank all counsel for their assistance.
MR. KENZIE: LT am not sure whethzr more shovwld be said eben
directions in these proccedings?
MS. WICKEY: fucre is the origwial application, the rale
HIS HONOUR: Yes, that 1s right.
MS HICKEY: T Go not presently ask, but the listing in
respect of directions -~--
HIS HONOUR: J reserve liberty, will I?
MS HICKEY: Yes, if your Wonour would.
HIS HONOUR: I will reserve Jiberty to apply with refecence
to future conduct of the motion.
MR. LENZTS&: I wonder does that mvan stood over generally?
HIS WONOUR: {£ will stand 1t over generally with leave to
e1ther party to apply to have the matter brouch
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MR. KENZIE:
HIS HONOUR:
MR. KENZIE:
HIS HONOUR:
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in any respect.
Would your Honour say any party?
I beg your pardon?
Would your Honour say leave to any party?
Leave to any party.
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We will adjourn.
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CATCHNORDS
Whether a resolution passed by the Victorian Branch
Executive of the Federated Miscellaneous Workers' Union
of Australia that the applicants be suspended with pay
From th
(it
ts
he
r positions was inco.sistent with a resoluticn
passed by a svecial Branch meeting that they be
reinstated - suspension - mening of suspension - the
cight, of an emtiaver to reavire that an empioyes mot
pereforr duties hoa it e
V Ue. 27 cf 1983
Fmithers J.
28 October 1982
Melboucne.
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We LOAPL .
IN THE FEDERAL COURT OF AUSTRALIA
VICTORIA DISTRICT REGISTRY No. V27 of 1983
INDUSTRIAL DIVISION
we ewes ww
EX TEMPORE JUDGMENT
IN THE MATTER OF THE CONCILIATION
AND AVBITRATION ACT 1964
and
IN THE MATTER OF APPLICATIONS
Uybek SECTION 140 AND [4D OF
THE ACT
Between: R. FDVARDS, R. GRANT, G.
LEWIN, R. CEESIPE, G.
SLATER, P. BIND AND K.
BEARISLYY
(Agr licants)
HELrU?, 3.
-- A. PAYLCP, 's. .
TOY, P. COrbu.l*, FT.
ALLXANOGR,
C. VLitos
L. BRbhs, We
RILEY, ii. RUGLKS, S$.
- BATT, Re BYNDUALN, and
FEDERATED MISCELLANLUUS
WORKERS" UNION OF
AUSTRALIA
(Respondents)
Coram: Smithers J.
28 October 1983
phan ee et he
ene oe
REASONS FOR JUDGMENT
HIS HONOUR: This case concerns an application by the
applicants who are a research officer and six branch
organizers seeking an interim order that the
respondents - Federal and State officers cf the
respondent union, the Federated Miscellaneous Worters
Union of Australia (MWU)-snould treat as null and
void a resoiution passed on 28 September 1983 by the
VYictevian Breneh enecuctive cf the MU thet thcy he
evspeaded Cron their positicus pending a refercrdum
on their entitlement to hold vhose positions.
It is of amportence that 1t be clearly understood
that in these proceedings all the respondents have
acknowledged and asserted that the resolutions are
not to be construed as asserting that the applicants
do not hold the positions in the union which they
held on 16 August 1983. lt is recognized by them
that the applicants do hold those positions and the
issues in this case concern the right or lack of
right of the management of the branch to provide that
pending the outcome of the referendum the applicants
should not actually perform duties they would
otherwise perform.
NOT ee ee re ee ee Ere ee eee on ee ee ee ee
'Of courge* I have heard a lot of evidence as to the
merits: of the dispute which occurred between the
applicants in the branch concerning a claim for the
introduction by the branch of a 19 day month for the
applicants and other members of the office staff.
Also, I have heard much evidence of conduct and
alleged misconduct by persons concerned in that
dispute and after the purported resolution of the
dispute. I have formed some views on these matters,
but in the result, my views turn out not to be
matters where, in the curcurstances, the view of a
judge can be usefully stated. These issues really
concern the members of the brinch who vill errress
their own views on the issues vhen they vote in the
referendum.
As Mentioned the application 1s one for interim
relief by the applicants six of whom were branch
organizers and one of whom was a research officer
whose employment by the branch was terminated by the
branch on 16 and 17 August 1983.
Thereafter, a special eet ing of the branch was
sought by the applicants under r.33(c) of the MWU
rules (the rules) to consider the matter of the
termination of employment by the branch of the
sean ve acerca.
___ applicants. That meeting was held on 27 September
organizer as from 16 August 1983.
dtm
morning the branch executive resolved :
"y,
In view of the importance and seriousness
of the matters relating to the termination
of R. LIdwards, G. Lewin, R. Grant, R.
Cheshire, G. Slater, K. Beardsley and P.
Hind which has caused deep divisions
within the Branch and to ensure that the
matter is resolved according to the wishes
of the whole of the Branch financial
membership and having regard to the
conduct of the special meeting of the
Branch on the 27th September 1983, the
Branch Uxecutive resolves that a
referendum of the whole of the Branch
fanancia] mevorrship be conducted on the
following questioi:-
Thal the decisious of the Branch State
Council on August 16, 1983, to terminate
the appointment of R. Edwards, R. Grant,
and G. Lewin, and the decisions of the
Branch Executive on August 7, $1953, to
terminate the appointment of K. EBeardslcy,
R. Cheshire, P. Hind and G. Slater be
endorsed. a
That the Branch Executive directs the
Branch Secretary to prepare for the next
succeeding Branch Executive Mceting a
report on the procedures for the
conducting of the said referendum.
The Branch Executive further resolves
that, at the next succeeding meeting of
the Branch Executive, a Returning Officer
be appointed to have the conduct of the
said referendum.
In the light of the decision of the Branch
Executive to conduct a referendum of the
whole of the Branch financial membership,
the Branch Executive determines that R.
Edwards, G. Lewin, R. Grant, R. Cheshire,
and resolved that the applicants be reinstated
On the next
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ceed emai coo
5.
G. Slater, K. Beardsley and P. Hind be
+ immediately suspended from their
: respective positions with full pay pending
the outcome of the referendum."
Pursuant to that resolution the applicants have been
excluded from the performance of any of the duties
pertaining to their positions which are in question.
It is the case for the applicants that this conduct
is in contraventz1on of the rules, and in particular,
r.59, which states:
"Any Gecision made by a meeting of the branch
shajJl p22 binding on the state council ard the
state branch executive office until such decision
1s reversed by a special neclingy of the hranch or
by Geoersien OF wewoere GE cle Lraveb at a
referonter held as neeviy as practicente o by
Gecictor of the Federal enmtne:] or tc ferni
exccucive."
r
The Victorian Prarch £Lxeecu
.ve resolution ais in
contravention of tle decision of the special Branch
meeting, 1f it is to be ccnstreed -s a decla.srtion
tinat the branch determined to treat applicents as no
longer the occupiers of the positions they held on 16
c
August 1985. The proper construction of
+t
cine
resolution depends on the actual words used and the
circumstances in which they were used. It is
e
critical to decide in what sense the word "suspend"
1s used. It is a word of flexible meaning responsive
to the context and circumstances.
In this case the problem is whether it is used in the
an wend ae a
ard
eet ee eee ee
sense of, "We treat the employees as though they do
not. hold the positions in issue." or, "We treat them
.vas the occupiers of those positions but subject to
anstructions from the branch not to perform duties.".
The distinction is recognized by Mr. Justice
Fitzgerald in Hill v. Higgins (1981) 40 ALR 476 at
491, where he indicated that suspension may
constitute a position where a person being suspended
continues to occupy office but is uneble to exercise
the powers attendant thereon.
There is a svggestion that this may be the ordinary
meaning of the word "susnend" and I an inclined to
think that in moéern conaitiors in relatsuon to most
employment that 18 sc. In this case tue phrase used
in "suspended from thery vositions". At Firet saght
this appears to be in Grrect conrirediciion of the
decision of the special branch megting but on
consideration I think that reading the full text of
the resolution in the circumstinces, that this is not
SO.
It is made "in the light of the decision to hold the
referendum" which was to deal with the decision of
the special meeting which ex hypothesi persists until
the referendum sets it aside, if it does do so. It
provides for a suspension on full pay. Pay for what?
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a Pte
7.
The answer is nol pay by way of gift, but pay agreed
upon and arising out of the relevant employment. So
construed the resoJution was not in defiance of the
decision of the special meeting. It was a decision
with yeference to a course of action to be taken in
the light of that decision.
The Specia] Branch Meeting resoltuion restored the
fapplicants to their employment. Management was then
faced with a situation that there was then a problem
arising out of the conditions of stress which they
believed likely to affect the conduct of the beanch
office ain narticular, ard the branch zcvivyities
generaily, if the applicance wore to resume work un
close pinwimtly to the otier persows working in that
office, anciucding officer staff. Vhat there was
likely to be a sericus clress situation arising out
of past events, personal antipathies, and attitudes
adopted 1s plain 'to see by anyone who has heard the
evidence in this case.
The branch executive and secretary are responsible
for the day to day management of the branch and it is
their duty to see that the conduct of the business 1s
carried on efficiently and properly. From their
point of viewit was therefore necessary to make a
decision recognising the continuance of the
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mien
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thé "branch with a right to the payment of their
fin
. . - '
"salaries but at the same time the branch executive
exercised a right which is normally that of an
employer existing, save in special circumstances, to
reguire that the employee not perform duties he is
employed to perform. By resolving as the Branch
Executive did on 28 September 1983 the employment
situation brought about by the special meeting
persists.
In this case I would consider that the normal right
a@id exist and that there were no special
curcumstances which sould take ft out of tte ore. of
Cc
Ie
uw,
rT
o
H
tC
ith
ras
f
i
employment relationsnivs lo wh ch th
we TT
applics. See Colli
Co. Lia. (1940) 4 sli LR 234 ot 236.
The branch executive exercised a right pertaining to
the terms of that employment: narely, a right ar*sang
from a term that the employer ray Girect the erplovee
not to perform duty he would otherwise be required to
perform.
If, contrary to what I have said, the resolution of
28 September 1983 should be considered as a
non-compliance with the decision of the special
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meeting .and to be an assertion that the employment of
a Py
nae
applicants was not resumed pursuant thereto, then
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there Would be a breach of the rules of the union
which this court could enjoin. But before taking
interim action in that respect the court would have
to remember that the result sought by the branch, and
in my view legitimately and successfully sought, that
in 'the circumstances at present existing the
applicants should not attend the office for the
purpose of performina duties, and thus be in close
proximity to those with whom they are in a stressful
relationship, could be and undoubtedly would be
achieved by the passing of a resolution in express
ters to achieve that which I imve held the present
resolution actually does upon its proper
construction. In the fullese sense, therefore, ths
interim relief, if grauted, would certainly be
futile.
Miss Hickey, who has made every submission possible
in wy view, has urged that I should reaard the
resolution as lacking in bona fides; that 1s to say,
that it was not passed for the purpose of carrying on
the business of the branch but to achieve the private
desires of branch officers and management of the
union for revenge or for alleged past conduct or to
achieve personal advantage in the forthcoming
ot data
mR te
14,
It may well be, and probably is, that those referred
to would feel gratified that they are not required to
have the applicants actually at work; and
particularly so in view of the forthcoming
referendum. But it is impossible to say that that is
the reason for their action.
°
The most imparLial person, having heard the evidence,
if faced with the situation that they were in on 28
Seplomber 1983 would have to recognise wnat the
prospece of the return to work of the applicants in
the conditions then cbintiing, vortd pllec the pro
~
sr
copdnel of the business, of we branch ita sericae
YEOp wi dy « lt vould not be to the point co vaxamine
the nNestion of whese condecr er what circumstances
basicaily caused the conditions of ftres<, were
was, therefore, good reason to attompt, if possible,
to obey the special neeting and ac the same tuiine
avoid @ifficulties which would have been likely to
attend the resumption of the applicunts at the branch
office of their actual course of duties.
The fact that it was a course which the branch may
have liked to pursue could not take away the
justification for action designed to avoid the perils
ll.
. involved that I have referred to, in the resumption
of work at the office by the applicants. I have no
+
doubt that the anxiety felt by the branch executive
in this respect was genuine.
In the view I have taken, there is no question of
depriving any person of any right pertaining to their
employment or their membership. The employment and
the membership of the applicants in this case remains
as each of them was on 16 Auyust 1983. Accordingly
the application for interim relief is rejected. 1
thank all counsel for their assistance.
MR. KENZIN: Tam not sure whelher wore chonld he raid tbaut
Girections in these proceccrunys,?
MS. HICKEY: Ticre 35 the or getal applJicciion, the rule
HIS HONOUR: Yes, that 1s riglit.
MS HICKEY: TI do not presently ask, but the liscting in
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HIS HONOUR: I reserve liberty, will I?
MS HICKEY: Yes, if your Honour would.
HIS HONOUR: I will reserve liberty to apply with reference
to future conduct of the motion.
MR. KENZIE: I wonder does that mean stood over generally?
HIS HONOUR: I will stand it over generally with leave to
either party to apply to have the matter brought
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MR. KENZIE: Would your Honour say leave to any party?
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